i talked to one of the key guys over there and i said how can i help you reform the pentagon. there must be people who have stopped -- >> i bet card and love giving that call. over norquist, how can i help? [laughter] spent i get lots of meat because i start all the meetings that way. i'm serious, we want to make the government more efficient and more effective, more transparent, make it cost less. and we are everyone's friend. transparency is a subject. ralph nader and i were lobbying the bush administration struggled and then together back in 2001. >> so that is the first cliff. what about the bush tax cuts going forward? >> i think if you went over, first of all you get towards the end, and if the republicans have played with a single, let's push it out of my for two weeks while we finish this, so you should never actually go over. just as you do with continuing resolutions. if you say look, given to, give it a month. >> this president is not going to extend. he knows that he loses his leverage that way. >> the republicans also have other leverage, continuing resolutions on